OI! Freud!

I also am pretty unfamiliar with Freud, but it seems to me that the Id is extremely sexually attracted to the woman without constraints. The superego seems to be trying to make it into a full relationship of mutual love, and the ego seems to be trying not to be pathetic and allow the DL to stomp all over his heart. I'm not sure if these fit in as the id, ego, and superego are meant too. It seems like he is begging her to not scorn him too much, to not mock him. He wishes he could teach her wisdom, and even though he cant teach her love, he wishes he could teach her to show him her love. He doesn't want to get so frustrated with the relationship that he insults her in anger. He pleads with her to be true to him, it seems, even though her heart often goes astray. I think that perhaps the Id sees her as interchangeable, merely sexually desirable but not irreplaceable. I feel that the ego and superego modify this by believing that the DL is important to him on an emotional level. I first see this because of the fact that he's writing a bunch of sonnets to her... we discussed that you don't write dozens of sonnets to someone you passed on the street. When he says "Do not press/ My tongue-tied patience with too much disdain," the idea of being tongue tied but steadfast makes me think that Will is a bit intimidated by the "bad girl" nature of the DL, but he really cares (or thinks he cares) about her. It's like the Jr. High boy who trips over all his words when the cute girl says hello to him, but even though he can't hold a conversation with her, he thinks he's in love. (Sorry for all the Jr. High metaphors... maybe we don't really mature as much as we think, though.)

149 This starts out on a very familiar theme-- look, I'll side with you against myself, I'll put down myself to help you. But that doesn't seem to fly so well with the DL... he can't win her love by putting himself down. Again, it seems that his Id wants her to be with him, while the more conscious parts of himself want the DL to appreciate him and the sacrifices he's making for her. He won't love anyone who hates her. "What merit do I in myself respect that is so proud thy service to despise, when all my best doth worship thy defect." His super-ego seems to be compensating for the base instincts of his Id by trying to honor the DL above himself. The last couplet, where he says "But, love, hate on; for now I know thy mind. Those that can see thou lov'st, and I am blind." It seems that the social part of himself, the ego, is worried about the social wrongness of being desperate for love, so he acts kind of flippant in the last sonnet. "I get it. I can't see you for who you are, so you don't want me. Nice." At least, that seemed to be one of the options for the last couplet.

Sonnet 152 starts out with Will saying that Shakespeare shouldn't love the DL, but DL double shouldn't love him back. Yet they do. Blame their Ids. But the socially aware part of Shakespeare thinks that he is at fault for breaking more contracts than the DL. He seems frustrated with the DL in his superego. The oaths he swore and broke were about the DL's virtues. This sonnet seems a bit angrier than the others, more frustrated with the DL. Maybe the insults he threatened in 149 are bubbling out in frustration. I don't really grasp the concepts of Freud, so I'm a little confused.

as ive said before...

when dealing with things in the freuidan style, its extremely easy to be left spinning in a see of confusion at one wrong mistep, and im left a bit less confused after reading your entry, but still to a greater extent confused as to how to use it in translating these sonnets. what i did pick out of verse 140 however in lines 5-9 boiled down to telling everything the other wants to hear despite it being an untruth

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